September 10, 2009

Moltmann, Session IIb, Day 2

Political or Public Theology: A theology that effects the world.

Moderators: Eliacin, ___, DS, and TJ:

  • approaches to theology in public
  • 1) Change swords into question thoughts. Become dragon killer, so the axis of evil is eliminated. Atomic bombs into question a bombs
  • 2)leave swords of unbelievers, become Amish or Hudderite
  • 3) Change swords into plowshares. change war and military complex, but a ecological complex
  • peaceable man- into peacemaking man.
  • we need communities that participate in peaceable kingdom and communities that work for peacemaking in the world.
  • Otherwise, peacemakers may become violent themselves with a peaceable people.
  • Eliacin- influenced by lib theolgians. seems to me, for most part, if we have emrbaced hope, we must live into resistance. examples of where are concnrete practices, rhtythms, values as we anticipate in global social movement for resistance. So we need to create alternatives. Concrete examples of church creating enclaves or the future:
  • JM- these movements are not always Xn churches, but many Xns take part in these movements. some are very effective. example- green party in europe, there were oppo. groups.
  • In Nicarague, to live a community life in the slums. Show how mutual help will bring htem out of misery. contrary of poverty is community. there is wealth in community, resources.
  • what is place of church in God's kingdom?
  • church has 2 tasks: diaconia- serving poor and sick and homeless in society/ 2- prophetic task to say ot the powerful, look to those in shadows of this empire. prophetic, diachronic service. need both, one is empty without the other.
  • we need a church that serves the sick and is prophetic against the illness of society.
  • "let's pray for prophets, who can speak in public and convince people."
  • Anticipation & resistance: Eliacin- are we co-creators, or should we just expect this to happen, resignation.
  • Kingdom is already there is the healing and stories of JC. We prepare the way for the KoG, by anticipating the righteousness and peace within our possibilities and potentialities which are certainly limited.
  • belief in progress collapsed in WWI. Belief in progress is returning in oidea of globalization, finances, goods, factories. Abyss is approaching with destruction of environment. we have globalization without the globe. the earth has nothing to say.
  • abu grahb- DS- moltmann experienced so much grace in hands of prison camps, YMCA, brit's, etc. presence of grace was salvation. (great ideas and question from Danielle)...(this reminds me of Dostoevsky and Bro Karam. where he appeals to mercy for criminals).
  • it's more convincing to love your enemy than to hate and kill your enemy. so what happened in prison in iraq is outrageous and cannot understand administration that allows that to happen.
  • Moltmann went back to his prison, afterward. the grace was such a grace and gift from british gov't and ymca to give former enemies, new chance of life. and we'll never forget that.
  • to give grace is wiser policy than so called enemies...the terrorists and anxiety of 9/11 is terrifying.
  • commitment to never serve in german army, but to kill the dictator. when he told this to the mennonites, said, "that's okay."

Moltmann, Session II, Day 2

Crucified God:

Moderated by my friend Ann Pittman plus some other folks, Danielle Shroyer, John Eaton (vision community church, NY), (common table)

  • DS- life changing book, made sense of soteriology and what happened on the cross.
  • Perspectives for questions and moderation- pastoral & life
  • there is no answer to suffering, b/c we wont accept any explanation. Resurrection is the answer, but there is no explanation for why you must die or suffer. all explanations are wrong and unacceptable.
  • we don't want to have an answer that would bring us to peace with suffering, but if we feel the presence of suffering Christ next to us or in us that he shares; then we have a consolation that we are not alone.
  • God will bring to a good end what he has begun in the human person- i believe that. JM
  • How can God let these evil things happen?
  • Where is God? is God here. But people critique God. So do we blame this question on philosophy and Liebniz. "comes from stoic philo: if he is omnipotent and good, so he cant be both, only one." This comes from grk. philo, not from Israel or God of JC.
  • not only defend Jesus sympathy, but also the bereavement of the Father. If JC was true in saying my god, why have you forsaken me..then father is forsaken by Son. Two sides of triune one, suffers bereavement as we suffer forsakenness. this is a consolation.
  • vulnerability of God- teaching presence of JC, instead of a God apart from JC. All God talk must come from and be centered in JC.
  • "If it weren't for Jesus I would be an atheist like the other people in my family"
  • looking at history, not convinced that God has everything under control. but looking at nature, etc...would never have occurred to me that there is a loving being. ONly convinced that God is love through Jesus. Don't like talk about a god, there are so many evil gods.
  • people sometimes are disappointed by a God that suffers with them instead of pulling them out of the situation. how does the suffering God give us hope.
  • first suffering God is compassionate God. God is there in your distress, never far away, but suffering with you. On other hand, the consequence of death for Christ was new life, eternal life. So i trust that the God who bears and has compassion on me will bring resurrection and new life. Suffering on one hand, resurrecting, triumphal God.
  • Too make a point you must be one sided: in ongoing dialoguew ith others, you must be one-sided or you will kill the debate. so the more i think about, the theology of the cross must end with a theo of resurrection. i learned this with Paul...in Romans...how much more is grace than sin, resurrection than crucifixion.
  • TJ- continuing line of theodicy and questioning the validity of the theodicy question: "atheists are closer to god than most theists, b/c they are arguing with God constantly."- Volf. Did moltmann meet christ and back into theism.
  • JM- only believes in God of JC. His God becomes my God. theism is general understanding of transcendence that there is a higher being.
  • types of atheism:
  • Protest Atheism- Ivan Karamazov- Dost.- Bro Karamazov- "i have nothing in God in heaven, but I have rejected that there is no justice on earth." This type of atheism very pop. after war.
  • another type of atheism- banality- dawkins, etc.
  • the theodicy question is" if there is a god why is there evil." best answer is there is no god. then question of why is there evil collapses. So keeping god in question, keeps the conversation on evil alive.
  • you can live without God in your life, but you will miss out on a lot of the liveness of life.
  • Dawkins has another word. For him, genes. genes are not altruistic, or egoistic, but parts.
  • protest hope (DS)= anticipate, transcend the limits of reality into the realm of possibility, anticipate the earth on which righteousness will dwell. so every piece of righteousness now is an anticipation that forms a new earth, an everlasting earth.
  • how do we do this, resist and give hope: "one follows the sermon on the mount."
  • resist capital punishment,
  • the call is not only to pray, but to pray and watch. open your eyes to God and see what is a contradiction to God. and dont close your eyes and see the new world. pray with open eyes.
  • early Xns were called atheists for refusing to serve roman gods/polity.
  • two crosses in early Xnty: Golgotha of JC, one is a dream cross of Constantine. since that time we ahve had two crosses in beginning. Many crosses we see in Xn nations, buildings, etc is the cross of Const.
  • Saint George- changed from martyr to dragon killer. old symbolism of Xn empire that has worked until present day.
  • I agree with Anabaptist we must go back to origin to find new future of Xnty for the world, back past the Xn imperialism.
  • 2 Pet. 3:13- HOPE
  • Atonement theories- substitionary? fuller? victor?
  • based on crucified God? not sure, identification theory, in that God identified with godless and forsaken aspact of humanity on the cross..so the atonement happens as we identity with Christ on the cross. Double, bilateral identification. Does this economic transaction takes place? Very appealing that God suffered and was tempted, not just nice tory, but walked in our shoes and when we identify we his suffering thats atonement - Tony Jones
  • Moltmann response-
  • Christology of solidarity. suffers with us// second- suffers for us, the guilty. both sides belong together. For us...reconciling suffering. but must see both sides together. given up for our sins and raised for our justification. whole process is justification.
  • forgiveness of sin on hand, resurrection into new life on the other. (justification is both)
  • another point- on one side- tradition of justification of sinner, forgive and reborn. BUT what about the victims of sin? God is righteous for giving justice to those who suffer. justification of victim is perhaps first act, in practical terms...sinners who've become guilty of their victim only have a sort memory if they have one at all. but those who've suffered always remember. so if you are guilty, and want to enter into truth of life, listen to victims b/c they can tell you who you really are.
  • sacrament of repentance: confess, change mind, then make good that you do good evil as much as evil that you've done. but there is no sacrament of justification for the victims for what they have felt. they must overcome the feelings of revenge, etc from suffering the evil at hands of others. Then they must be alleviated and given a new self confidence, which victims don't often have- then the end, they must have the divine key- to forgive.
  • Jail of Birminham- MLK= teaching the victims to forgive the perpetrators.
  • Love- helpful about your work, re-frames and thinking in new ways of old things: power struggles.
  • in love of life, you risk disappointment and be ready to suffer with and or for others, and be ready to feel them dying....to feel or bring in their dying inside of you.
  • "fear in west, we talk about the cross in a personalized way so that it is only FOR US. Jesus died just for me to get somewhere. IN CG- all creation finds a place for redemption." DS
  • talk to us about creation redemption- we lost cosmic dimensions found in Col and Phil. That christ died for redemption of universe. even cosmos needs salvation.
  • universal salavtion is about: not that all humans will be saved; but that the UNIVERSE will be saved.
  • Christ became human so humans and whole cosmos might become place where God dwells, and by this will be deified.
  • important to see that at end, all embracing power, not just only salvation of my soul or my personal salvation and rest of world can go to hell...but in the end there will be restoration of all things in Christ. this is according to pietist, german tradition...the restoration is bringing back all things in the end. resurrection is all about restoration of all things.
  • Modern experience of ecological crisis- we need this cosmic dimension.
  • are you a Xn universalism or would you rather be called something else
  • "im afraid 'im not a universalist, b/c there are perhaps some people i dont want to see again. but god may be a unversalist, b/c God created them and may want to see them again."
  • universalism is not about to speak about all humans, but all of the universe.
  • I don't want to go to heaven, angels have home in heaven. i want to be raised on earth and live on new earth where justice dwells. and in the end God will be all in all, that is heaven.
  • Luther once said, on treatise for preparing for dying...don't look at hell in destiny of others or for self...but look at hell in wounds of Christ, b/c Christ suffered. so in wounds of christ, you must look if you want to talk about hell.

Moltmann, Session Ib, Day 2

Theological Method: the Creative Spirit of Play, Life, and Death:
moderated by Tony Jones & Tripp Fuller
  • Time to talk about Moltmann's methods "or lack thereof, as Moltmann said in the car."
  • why it's important he broke away from writing a 3 part systematic theology, etc:
  • truth is found in unhindered dialogue. fellowship is of mutual participation and unifinying sympathy
  • how is that different from barth or theo predecessors? Thomas Aquinas is single great theological thought, whether there is a god or not and found 5 ways for proving god, natural theology. then comes in church and talk about relation of God and Christ and HS, etc. "Then he died." and said
  • "I count this all straw"- Aquinas
  • All theo systems of medieval times, must have an open end b/c power of Christ they expect to come. similar to great
  • barth- writing 19th cent. theology while living in 20th century.
  • Barth begins with self revelation of God- dogmatic insight of church...that there is a church, so it is a thought for those in the inside. Barth was strong for developing Christian doctrines, predestination for example.
  • Barth was good at developing his own theology, but not working with others. over 8k pg's from Barth. "the truth can't be so long."
  • resist- temptation to write system, b/c not systematic person.
  • holds an idea, and sees how this ideas relates to everything: ie. Trinity. How does this fit with kingdom, church, etc. Before that...aware of ecological crisis...lectured on creation.
  • books are founded not in system, but a single idea or perspective. Trinity, ecology, resurrection, cross, etc.
  • truth is found like "headlights"- in nature are only reflection of light of Christ...they dont illuminate in themselves, but a reflection of Christ. like headlights reveal the road and trees, it is the light of the car, not of trees that reveal them.
  • spent a long time talking about the necessity of a theology of creation and nature, it is a Christian endeavor. Struggle between Yale (Barth, no nature & theo only for Xns.) and Chicago (for everyone who can listen or there can be no mission)
  • Starting point- JC and experience of HS and universal horizon which we can discover in NT.
  • God reconciles wholes cosmos to himself, and we are messengers to this reconcile. the gospel is universal b/c of the universal horizon of reconciliation
  • Barth- "hidden universalism"- reconcile, not the universe, but every person. that's trhe difference between Barth and JM- reconciliation for whole cosmos or just humans.
  • don't become narrow minded to only defend your own denom, christ is more than one's own denom.
  • TF- read JM in light of holocaust, in light of Amer. 9/11
  • Elie Wiesel- "night" JM was moved by it and his experiences in conc. camps.
  • God is not punishing New york homosexuals, as someone said at that time. God that uses terrorists is a monster, not a god.
  • rethink omnipotence- not in control, but caring and bearing everything. his Almighty power revealed when he destroyed pharaoh's army, but 3 or 4 phrases in that "you carry us, you are bearing us through the desert"- we are carried on eagle's wings.
  • patience, carrying of God...gives his word time and a chance and future. this is for me the omnipotence of God. his patience
  • Divine impassibility- inherited from Hellenistic phlio. God won't change b/c against nature of God. TJ- is there an epiphany moment when you rethought this, that this is not God...a god who is impassible. God must suffer for Moltmann, for only a God who can suffer can love.
  • Aristotle metaphysics, book 12- "the divine is apathetic" impassible? this comes against the many stories of greek mythologies who are angry and cheating, etc. So created idea that God must be apathetic.
  • learned form Abraham Heschel, that this God has pathos, not apathetic. God has sympathy, b/c if God is apathetic, then his image in us must be apathetic too. Apathy is in illness in the world.
  • passibilty of God- first idea- got in Scotland about the impassibility and passibility of God. written in 1926, listed the whole debate. completely bypassed German theology, this 60 yr old debate in Anglican church.
  • how was this perceived- "best sense of the word, I became controversial" "i like to be controversial"
  • TF- mystical experience and exercising doubt-
  • liked to bring life and death questions to theological questions. theological not related to life and death is an abstract theology, is a nice game but only for play.
  • book of his best theo student- Volf- reflected on his own experiences in Exclusion and Embrace- full of his own existential experiences.
  • life and death experiences are a source, of course, or its just a game of play
  • fav line- "theologians needs to read forward and backward in Scripture" (from TF)
  • talk about it: "i'm old enough not to be being called an heretic"
  • read bible with new supposition: meet divine word in human words. and whenever i meet divine word, which became incarnate in JC, his suffering death and res...then I feel truth.
  • Gal 3:28- christ is not male or female, etc- all are one. This is a phrase justified baptism of all equally. but then read Paul saying women should shut up in congregation. that closes to Christ. if women is all the time silent, we'd have no knowledge of resurrection of Christ.
  • co-missionary of Paul was female. So Xnty is full of women and they speak out to fulfill prophecy of Joel- your daughters will prophecy.
  • Criteria- incarnate word of God in Christ.
  • other point for reading Bible- we read "Jews crucified Christ"- this is wrong, tehy werent allowed to crucufy people. this was a roman affair. Jews aren't enemies of God. Rom 9-11: Paul writes about Israel. This is closer to teh truth, I think, JM says.
  • advocating biblical hermeneutic- reading closest to Christ- so how do you or by what do you determine what's closest to Christ? (good ? from TJ)
  • "The Reformed church is my origin. The ecumenical church is my future.
  • doesn't discount experience in truth
  • question to fundies: "do you really read the Bible" and do you "really understand what you read"
  • homosexuality in the Bible and fundies:
  • Shouldn't leave interp of Bible to fundies only
  • shaping of theology b/c of marriage: wife is most influential on his theo. she convinced him to sentences, that "I think this is the case..not this IS the case." not make objective statements for all to buy. If i say it this way, it provokes the subjectivity in others to make up their own mind, and not just quote me. (hey, that's what my wife says to me all the time)
  • "there is no theo dialogue in our house before breakfast."
  • poltical theo- insights into complicity in American foreign policy.
  • johannes baptist metz and JM developed political theol- to overcome Luther's 2 kingdoms, where you msutnt mix theo with politics. so leave politics to Nazi.
  • RC said better the Nazi's then the communists, so tehy supported them at first.
  • To overcome this hesitation of Xns to stand up against violence and injustice in country, they developed pol.theo.
  • reason for this- dead of Auschwitz was pressing on their conscience.
  • free market has a different definition of freedom.
  • lightning round: (one person, one sentence summary)-
  • brief reflection on what you think of these people:
  • john paul II- good pope
  • pannenburg- very dear friend and opponent
  • bonhof- died too early
  • whitehead- very complicated to read
  • derrida- pomo is another form of modernity. universal dangers which we can meet united, so we cannot split up and everyone go in relative direction. whether we live in big or small narratives we all live under atomic bombs, eco crisis, so extinction of all is possibility of all. so dont see why we have to give up universal questions or problems for
  • haeurwas- NT speaks not abut peaceable kingdom, but a peace making kingdom
  • luther- great german reformer, there too, ML and MLK whats difference
  • abraham ? - competition between two, barthian camp,
    now retired, both friends. good friends on beer and wine
  • augustine- ask his wife about him. (he left both, b/c too close to mother monica)
  • freud- said you can freud only if you know austrians in viana. served in WWII, in austrian unit. only theme of austrialian soliders
  • marx- like early marx, not capital marx. influences of romanitc philo, humanization of nature. early writings, redisvoered in 1931. communist manifest is great doc of 19th cent.
  • nicholas cuso (?)- may have missed his classes
  • volf- very dear friend, gifted theologian, came to JM at tubingen- "concept of work in karl marx"- wrote great dissertation of work and theo of work. beginning, but drafted to yugoslavian army and returned and full of sign of suffering and resistance. so JM loved him very much when he returned from yugo wounded. wrote book on community. now he is going on writing, etc. go to eastern europe- either became influential in eastern europeans or go to yale and become american pomo theologians and unfortunately decided for Yale.
  • schleiermacher- both point to same future, coming of God. prob with creeds: Schle could affirm them as he dismissed the OT as foreign to Xnty as other religions are.
  • Pelagius- Patron Saint of American Xns.

Coffee Break 1: Blogs, Yahoo, & a Question

Coffee Break:
So I got to meet up with some great folks from the yahoo Moltmann group.

Here's a question, maybe the only question I have right now for Moltmann is, "Do you or are you rooted in a community, church somewhere? How do they receive you?"

Over blogs covering the Moltmann Conversation:
Ann Pittman
Danielle Shroyer
SalvagedFaith
BobCornwall
Tripp York (edit: lol, I meant Fuller...not real sure where York came from, hah!)

I'll post others as I find them.

Moltmann, Session I, Day 2

We begin this morning talking with arguably the premiere theologian of our time: Jurgen Moltmann. The conversation this morning turns to a quick overall look at Moltmann's autobiography and theological method and after the coffee break Tony Jones and Danielle Shroyer will talk to JM about his theological method. Here are some rough notes from the conversation.

Session 1a:

A Story of a Life after Auschwitz: "Where is God?"
  • 1926 in Hamburg, secular family of teachers and schoolmasters
  • firestorms- a life surrounded by explosions, bombs, and death. - left with the burning question "where is God" and "why am i alive and not dead like the others" (is there any meaning to life)- "these questions followed me and tortured me for years."
  • As an imprisoned soldier, the soul became imprisoned.
  • blooming cherry tree- overwhelmed by blooming of life "still feel weakness in knees in remembrance of this and raised sparks of life in my heart."
  • Couldn't live with the guilt of his people as he saw pictures of camps.
  • Read Bible in camp and came upon Ps. of lament, esp. ps. 39 (or 79?). - found words to speak for his heart.
  • Lost interest in poems of Goethe and Schilling, but found himself in the Psalms b.c gave words to feelings of forsaken. Then read gosp. of Mark and read Christs "my god why have you forsaken me."
  • Felt close and understood by God forsaken Christ.
  • Christ found me in dark pit of my soul...and place behind barbed wire where we felt forsaken.
  • Felt presence of Jesus in life and felt like he was taking up...
  • "I was not seeking God if God was not already drawing me."
  • In 1946, special camp arranged by British YMCA, prison ministry, funded by american business man John ?...and he was accepted to camp.
  • 1st book- Niebuhr- nature and destiny of man
  • studied and learned heb then greek in prison camps.
  • wasn't sure of what the church was about, but had his first encounter in YMCA prison camp.
  • soul was healed from wounds of war
  • felt like Jacob after wrestling with "dark sides of God."
  • Meet Elizabeth while studying theology
  • 3 examinations in 2 weeks "doctoral, school, and wedding"
  • after Barth there could be no theology, b/c he has said everything.
  • pastor of rural congregation of about 300 people and 3000 cows. reformed congregation.
  • felt like a fool with his phd with the farmers and tried to preach life experience and not give lectures to them. b/c when he lectured to them they rolled their eyes. pastored for 5 yrs.
  • changed to seminary in wuppertal and felt impoverished b/c with the church he lived in the problems of life, but as a professor only saw the good educated students and in distance a distance.
  • saw black ghettos and huts of sharecroppers deep in woods and burned crosses of KKK in front in front of churches, and his "American dream was a little bit disappointed"
  • he liked America on the surface, but saw the misery of it too
  • American dreamed was almost lost at MLK's shooting, but was saved at Durham when 400 men and women of all colors sat in rain and shine for mourning. then they sang "we shall overcome"
  • first liked America, then disappointed, then i began to love america
  • Faust and Goethe: 20th century humanism summation: do good, love beauty, follow your instinct for life...humanism of free will and reason, good emotions.
  • there were no words in humanism to describe to pain of what I faced during the war with death and shame, but found it in lament psalm and cry of christ
  • do you to continue to draw on parish ministry for theology: "yes, what would the people think about it and make of it.
  • must listen to the people's questions and answers, and the people should not be shy and get away from prof theology but take responsibility for the education of theologians.
  • to most of things in life came by chance, so things in latin america, came by chance.
  • very moving story in '89: six jesuit bro's killed, in jesuit univ. in san salvador along with house keepers as an act of terrorism.
  • many liberation theologians were angry with him when he criticized the marxist lectures of liberation theology. "but where was karl marx born, here (latin amer.) or in godham, ga.)
  • jim cone stood up and went through the rows of liberation theologians and said "you are all whites and to my knowledge there are more blacks in ...were are tehy blacks in lib. theology
  • then dorethee soelle stood up and went through the rows: "to my knowledge, more than half of theologians are female, but there are no women lib. theogians."
  • Tones fav moltmann work: preface to "Trinity and kingdom of God" b/c it's about a change or transition and move toward contributions to systematic theology. realized who he was as a theologians and what he is not.
  • started with Theo of Hope...resurrection; then toward perichoritsm to Theo of Cross; social doctrine of trinity bc since auagustine we have had psychological account of trinity: god has two images, father and son (two subjects) and hs comes out of that. there is no need for the HS if he is relation between two subjects. HS is no subject.
  • there are icons of two subjects and an animals, the dove.
  • EO: icons- 3 angels sitting around table.
  • So EO has complete doctrine of Trin. where we have a shattered doctrine.
  • So best idea is social doctrine...perichorises: Son, Spirit, Father indwell in one another and they interpenetrate.
  • From that, concludes that the congregation is a good image of Trinity, that they all maybe one. Prayer in John: "I am in you, so they may be in me"
  • Leo Boff tells story: communities in Brazil come together in one place, sign "holy trinity is best ...of trinity"
  • simple terms "doctrine of trinity, is not part of mystery, very simple, if you come into notion of Jesus, you come into fellowship of God who he called Father; and in fellowship with Jesus, surrounded by God, you feel life giving energies of Spirit." Christian phase has a triadic state already, so we already live in God, surrounded by God.
  • We don't believe in the trinity, we live in the Trinity. We live in God. There's an indwelling of trinity in us, as there is an indwelling in God.
  • Shroyer- unity with Trinity as three in one. as pastor that helps b/c they're not doctrine based church and there's a lot of beliefs. unity comes not from doctrine, but from Christ who is above that. Talk about gift of unity of trinity that doesn't have to be sameness.
  • Jesus addressed his God as abba, the father. Paul heard this prayer in Galatia and Rome. But this prayer disappeared in 1st century and replaced by "our father in heaven." far distance. misunderstanding of patriarchalism, father in family is distanced.
  • re-introduced the Abba, prayer..we'll feel nearness of JC.
  • not just 3 persons, but 3 rooms: they give for the two others to dwell in one another. to give room to each other means what we are doing, when we accept others in loving friendship, we give them life space.
  • benediction: read Ps. 39.

September 9, 2009

Emergent Village Gathering, Day 1

Tonight, we began the Emergent Village proper (Danielle Shroyer of Journey Church in Dallas introduced the key note? speaker...Jurgen Moltmann...she did just write a book along those lines) with the professor of Missional Theology at Biblical Seminary, John Franke.

The main thrust of John's time was spent summarizing his main idea from his newest book, that truth is found in pluralization. While I'd like to press him some on this and get a better understanding of this (not because I don't think that truth exists in a plural world or that there is one way to truth, but because I'm not sure pluralism leads to meaningful community and truth exists in community or maybe I should say I don't think we (I) know how to engage difference or pluralism right and in a way that allows for true conversation to happen).

Tripp has some good notes on John's talk.

I'm excited about being here. I've already enjoyed some food and sights in Chi-town. I can't tell you how excited I am about Moltmann tomorrow (more on this later). I get to meet some really cool people, some I only know on the interwebs, so putting so flesh on them is nice. Plus worship tonight was meaningful. It was lead by a local Emergent church, Wicker Park Grace. The music was all home grown, and there was an artist who painted with pastels (i think) during the entire event. Plus, I never miss a chance to take communion, hopefully finding myself, a baptist transformed by God's grace in the sacrament of becoming the body broken for the world.

I'll hopefully get some more posts up during this gathering (coming out of hiatus...uhm, make that: blogging sabbatical).

BTW: I created a Twitter account since so much of this conversation is held in this space. So follow me if you'd like.

June 25, 2009

RIP King of Pop

As you know, ambiguous pop legend and music icon Michael Jackson died today. RIP.

June 17, 2009

Listen to my Sermon

I preached my first Sunday morning at First Baptist Church this last Sunday. It was a wonderful experience.

You can listen to my sermon, "Sowing Seeds of Doubt" here. Check it out!

Sowing Seeds of Doubt, A sermon on Mark 4:26-32

Once long ago, a carpenter was born into a tribe of farmers, merchants, and shepherds. As the carpenter grew into a boy then a man, people in his area began to get suspicious of him. See, these people had long ago settled into the land and they survived by studying, listening to, and living off the soil, trees, and grass.

But this young carpenter came with a new vision for life, a vision of casting out and sailing the deep blue sea.

Everywhere this carpenter went crowds gathered around him. He often spoke in healing ways and told strange stories about life on the water. Crowds would disperse after hearing the carpenter speak with newfound hope and sense of life because of his beautiful visions and stories about the sea.

The carpenter continued his life going from village to village proclaiming life on the salty sea. He even began to draw up blueprints and make notes about his vision for sailing, a vision for a completely new way of life.


Along with a few faithful followers this carpenter began to build a ship on the sands of the sea. But like Moses who didn’t get to cross into the promised land, the carpenter died before ever setting sail. So his followers continued the good work and finished the boat and eventually cast out to sea.

Time passes and soon people are born on the ship who never knew the carpenter. It seems that life on the sea is as beautiful and wondrous as the carpenter ever spoke of, yet everyone still desires the land. Running deep within their veins is the soil of their ancestry, while the salt of the sea continues to burn their lungs.

Time passes and new generations come along and fortify the ship for fear of the sea. All windows are boarded up and no one is allowed on deck. The dream and vision of life on the sea is soon replaced with life in the ship. Most everyone’s effort was put forth in maintaining the vessel. Of course, once every week everyone on board would gather to read and talk about the carpenter and his notes, some even sang songs in praise of the carpenter.

Others dedicated themselves to the study of the carpenter and tried to figure out exactly what he really said, and what earlier generations might have added to his notes. Others found this study frivolous and decided to make the ship hospitable by using all their energy to adorn the vessel.

Times passes and people continue to desire the land while still revisiting the need to be on the sea at least according to the readings from the carpenter’s work. The ship is maintained and people bicker and argue about what the carpenter really meant and said. Vision for life on the sea is all but lost.

Then one day some children were playing in the hull of the ship and a mother noticed the wood beginning to crack. By this time the ship had seen hundreds and hundreds of years of service. Everyone’s minds were filled with images of the children being violently swept out to sea. Fear filled the air of the hull with the anticipation that drowning water would soon follow.

And before anyone could get to the children one child broke through the wood. But something surprising happened. Instead of a great splash of water bursting into the ship, a great cloud of dust puffed through the hole.

To their bewilderment, the sea had long ago dried up and the ship laid not in the midst of water, but rather in the midst of land and the civilization they had originally deserted all those years ago. And it wasn’t until they began to go forth from the vessel that the teachings of the carpenter began to make sense.

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This story of course, is my own parable, if you will. As we saw from the reading this morning, this was Jesus preferred way of teaching, in stories or parables. Not that I pretend to have special insider knowledge or even that a parable simply has one single, once for all time meaning, but with the gap between Jesus’s time and now, I wonder if we lose some of what Jesus meant with these simple, yet complex stories.

See,

Many of the commentaries and a few sermons I read on this text always pointed to one theme: faith. They say, Jesus was teaching about the power of a little, mustard seed-like faith or the power of God's word to plant itself mysteriously in faith. But I wonder if these parables are less about the need for faith, and more about the need for doubt.

Is Jesus sowing seeds of doubt?

Under roman occupation and a history of oppression, the Jews of the 1st century long awaited the appearance of the Messiah. This day was the eschatological day of the Lord, the day when God would come with a sword and bring vengeance to Israel’s enemies and restore the Davidic kingdom.

But we know when Jesus came on the scene; he compelled people to believe that God’s Kingdom of peace & reconciliation was right in front of them.

And this is what Jesus was focusing in on when he says: “The Kingdom of God is like”. With those words, he began to rock the religious system of every 1st century listener. Jesus spoke these words not only so people would believe toward the Kingdom, BUT so they would believe away from a religious system, doubting the very thing they measured life by.

And
This was the exact problem of Jesus: he wasn’t quite the Messiah people were expecting. Even Peter, the unshakable rock, the guy who walked on water questioned Jesus’ way of bringing in the kingdom. Not only was it not violent, but it reversed violence and called those who would follow Jesus to die with him.

Jesus still seems to defy the categories we place on him.

So,
What we find in these parables of Jesus is a call to put the primary things first and secondary things second. Or, by doubting what we place as primary, we can become people of peace, reconciliation, and love.
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Did you know Google has the power to transform how we think and read?

At least this is what social science researcher Katie McGowan writes in her article, “Does Google (re)Make Us?

McGowan writes that “we are not only what we read…we are how we read it.”

She likens this shift in thinking to the effects of the clock on humans. Before the clock was invented people measured the day, went to sleep and woke up according to the sun. But with the invention of the clock we began to change our internal habits of eating and sleeping.

So, in our search for knowledge Google and the internet has given us something no civilization on earth has experienced before: instant knowledge at our finger tips. McGowan makes this poignant observation: as humans use technology, technology begins to use us.

Thus, Deep textual readings and analysis are replaced by sound bytes; the discipline for concentrating is replaced by short attention spans.

According to this researcher the primary search for knowledge and study, is actually replaced by the secondary methods: research using Google, reducing the human ability to reflect, think, and analyze what is being read.
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Jesus spoke in parables because his listeners were entrenched, entrenched in their system of thought that made Jesus’ call to the Kingdom sound silly, for they all knew the Kingdom and it’s Messiah would come with force and power.

The very thing that made Jesus’ crowd “holy” kept them from Jesus & a life of peace & reconciliation.

So, what he is saying in these two parables is that despite appearances, despite our tendency to measure and control; it is not the KoG which is here and coming that should be doubted, but our religious systems that give us the appearance of goodness and righteousness.

Yet, because it’s easier to doubt the power of God’s mysterious rule than our religious life, we often approach Jesus like those on boat from my earlier story.


First, we make the voyage not about actually sailing and living according to what the carpenter taught, but about studying sailing and the carpenter’s teaching.

These Christians are like soldiers who sit in a foxhole and when the captain commands them to charge, they all remain seated. One soldier remarks on the tenor of the captains voice, another parses the words of the captain, while another argues if it was even the captain’s voice at all…all the while the front closes in on them.

It’s as if we think that thinking is doing something. As if the call of Jesus is to think about Jesus.

And
Before we know it, we think we can consume our way into following Christ.
“If I read one more book, go to one more conference, join a Bible study, then I’m more of a Christian. If I can recite to you Marcus Borg or NT Wright, Brian McLaren or whatever new curriculum, then I’m following Jesus.”
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Of course, there are others that find this way of being a Christian as frivolous.
These Christians are those of us, who spend all our energy on the life in the ship.

Much like the power of Google to shape how we think and read, making church or life in the ship primary can shape you into thinking you are a person of peace and reconciliation. But sometimes the truth is, some of the most bitter, power hungry, and angry people I’ve ever met have been people in the church.

Missiologist and church planter Alan Hirsch is right when he says:
It is theologically correct to say that the church IS NOT the kingdom. The church serves as a sign, a symbol, a foretaste of the Kingdom of God. The kingdom can express itself in and through the church in powerful ways, but the Kingdom extends to God’s rule everywhere.

Or as one of my favorite theologians says: “It is not that the church has a mission, rather it is God’s mission that has a church.”


Now, I’m not saying these things aren’t important. Of course studying and reflecting upon faith, Scripture, and history are important. Of course, church work and programs are necessary. But neither are primary.

In allowing Jesus to sow seeds of doubt, we may find that we've allowed secondary things to become primary!

We make going to church, more important than being church. We make being entertained more important than being formed. We make committees more important than forgiveness. We make amassing knowledge more important than the doing of that knowledge. We board up our windows and make our life central; over against the life of God, who as Bono says “is playing house among the poor, the forgotten, and marginalized.”

These stories of insignificant seeds point back to one thing: In Jesus’ words and work, the Kingdom had made its entrance.

Tony Campolo says, "I wish [Jesus] would ask, 'Virgin Birth: strongly agree, agree, disagree, strongly disagree? Check one.' But those are not the questions. [The questions are] 'I was hungry, did you feed me? I was a stranger, did you make room for me?"

Faced with the decision to continue the beautiful and wondrous life on the sea, the people on the ship gave up in the face of the discomforts and growth pains of transformation. All the while life around them shifted and changed.
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It was about my sophomore year of college when I all but lost my faith. As a religion major at a small Christian University: Mary Hardin-Baylor, I entered into a second and continual transformation.

My first big transformation came when I became a Christian, swinging far from being an atheist at the age of 17 to hard, fundamentalist faith as a senior in high school. For the first two years of my new life as a Christian, Christ radically transformed me with the power of forgiveness, but as this experience past away I soon replaced that vision of love and forgiveness with religious measurements for my faith as well as others.

Doing church, being a “holy” person, and closing myself off from the world became central. But in my struggle to reconnect with God, I found God planting seeds of doubt.

See, in the fall of my second year, I took two classes with Dr. Carol Holcomb, a brilliant woman theologian, a feminist and a deacon (of course in my early faith, all these things were contradictory to me, at least in the same sentence). Through her teaching and this new relationship, I internally began to question everything I had grown to know, everything that kept my faith safe.

So, my faith began to shrivel and die. I had become a judgmental, closed off person; fooled into thinking that I was righteous b/c I studied the Bible, worked at a church, and supposedly knew who was holy and who wasn’t.

It wasn’t until I learned through some mentors and friends that following Christ into the margins, actually doing forgiveness, and living love instead of just talking about them, that I again met God.

It was then I learned that meeting God and following Christ, finding love and peace were made real by giving love and peace, by following God found in the margins and often outside the walls of church.

As the world, our culture shifts around us, we, the church, are called to be a sign, a foretaste of God’s hope by going out into the world, to Austin, your neighborhood, or maybe even in this church and really doing the hard work of peace, love, and reconciliation….by making following Christ primary and real, thus realizing what has been true all along, in Christ you are a new Creation.


[God, you have loved us and been patient with your people. Holy Spirit, awaken us to your activity in us, around us, and through us. May we know you more by following you in the difficult and narrow path of reconciliation. We ask God, in your goodness that you’d give us the faith to doubt what we place over our lives and over you, relinquishing control and efficiency for the messiness of forgiveness and love. Truly in you we are already a New Creation, so we ask for faithfulness in making your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. Amen.]




Despite all appearances, trust that the Kingdom of reconciliation and peace is here among you. Leave this place as a servants to God’s causes, finding patience for love in the face of hate; justice in the face of oppression; and new life in the face of brokenness. May you, in the imitation of Christ, incarnate hope to the hopeless, light to the darkness, and water to the thirsty. Go now embodying a new way of life, go now sharing the gift of reconciliation, go now in peace.

June 5, 2009

Is USA moving towards socialism? Not likely.

With all the bailouts and concerns from those on the right of the dem's expanding the USA government into a socialist state, here's a great reminder of REALITY.





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June 1, 2009

Rollins' Interview with CC


If you haven't heard of Pete Rollins, you should get acquainted soon. He's a writer, thinker, and story teller from Ireland wrestling with ideas from apophaticism, Lacan, Zizek, and postmodern philosophy/Christianity. He's one of the key ingredients to IKON in Belfast, the inspiration for VOID in Waco created by my friend Adam Moore.

Here's an interview in Christian Century. Beyond that I recommend his books (1st & 2nd), especially his newest one, Orthodox Heretic, which I think will become a very valuable teaching tool for myself and Christians in the West. Paraclete is providing the first story in the book at their site. Check it out.

May 22, 2009

Self Forgiveness: A Sermon

In a recent “This American Life,” a NPR show covering stories from ordinary Americans, the entire hour was devoted to Scott Carrier, a former radio producer for the show. Scott began his career in radio shortly after losing his family to divorce, quitting his steady job as a painter, and hitchhiking across the nation to NPR’s headquarters with nothing but a tape recorder and tapes of interviews he had conducted along the way with the people who picked him up.

Scott’s stories are haunting and beautiful. One story that has really stuck with me is about one of his early jobs in radio working with a nationally known and widely loved public radio host who he simply calls “The Friendly Man.” Weekly, over 12 million listeners tune in to “The Friendly Man’s” 5 minute show. Such a large audience is drawn to the Friendly Man’s always positive and upbeat stories with one general theme: America keeps getting better and better.

Being an incredibly busy man, the “Friendly Man” stays in NY and his executive producer in LA wrangles stories from researchers. Daily researchers all throughout the nation score the internet and papers looking for positive stories for the show, then they write up a synopsis for approval by the executive producer and the Friendly Man.

Once a story is approved, than people like Scott Carrier, radio show producers are sent to produce interviews and compile stories for the Friendly Man to use. Of course, its important that one sticks to the story approved in the synopsis. In Scott’s earliest gig he found this out quickly when an irate executive producer yelled at him over the phone for making small changes to the story, that Scott saw as improvements.

And so, loaded with this knowledge and his gear, Scott traveled to Kansas City Missouri to conduct interviews. The theme of this story was about young poor, black people lifting themselves out of their current state and making things better. The focus of the story was on the black mayor and the midnight basketball program he began, to give the community hope and lower crime rates.

Scott conducted the interview with the major, then attended one of the basketball games where he found it packed with people watching 9 and 10 year playing as Scott said, “really good games”. After interviewing coaches, parents, and kids Scott began to think to himself, “things really are getting better and better in America.”

Feeling good, Scott got in his car to head to St. Louis to produce the next show, but he realized someone, probably a kid at the game had stolen some expensive batteries but more importantly they had taken the irreplaceable tape with the mayor’s interview.

The story he was sent to write was that America was getting better and better, but he wondered about the fact that he got robbed while reporting on a basketball program intended to prevent and lower crime. The way he saw it was these people had been poor for a long time, and things weren’t getting better.

He left a message with the executive producer and drove for St. Louis to produce a story again about poor, black people; but this time it was old poor, black people in a nursing home who had supposedly created their own economy and support system based on time-share dollars.

Upon arrival, he eventually spoke to two women who participated in the time-share program that evidently had made their nursing home a happier and better place. These women called neighbors to see if they were sick or not, cleaned clothes for neighbors, and even read to others for time-share dollars just like how several others in the home helped one another. Now, the purpose of these time-dollars is that they could trade among themselves for services and according to the synopsis, they than could go buy general necessities from a local community store.

After listening to the women, it sounded just like the synopsis, “Neighbors helping neighbors and getting paid to do it.”

Since the store of course was in the synopsis, Scott began to inquire about it to no avail. After several failed attempts to get the women to show him the store, he began to get worried. Finally, after begging them, the two women lead him down to a one story warehouse made of brick with a few windows. After walking down a long, narrow hallway in a building Scott describes “very suspicious” they arrived at the end of the long dark hall to find a metal cabinet with two large doors locked by a padlock.

Unlocking the lock revealed four shelves: the top littered with bottles of fabric softener; the next with baby wipes; the other had paper plates and plastic silver ware; and the bottom was filled with bathroom deodorizer. That was it. That was the store.

The story had disintegrated right there, so he called the executive to see if he could leave the store out of the story and just make it about neighbors helping neighbors. Of course, before he could get a word in, she began to yell at him about how he had ruined her weekend over the lost tape and, and how it was his fault, and that he needed to go back and interview the mayor again.

His only hope of keeping his job was to go back and interview the mayor, to do as he was told. According to Scott, he says “my job is to do what I was told, just as their job is to do what they were told, just as the friendly man’s job was to do what he was told, because the audience, the 12 million listeners had something they wanted to be told: that America is a good place with decent people, never mind the screaming coming from the basement.”

Tonight’s theme, as some of you know, is “self forgiveness.” When I first learned this was our theme tonight, I thought, what are we?…Joel Osteen’s ministry, building a better you.

Is that what we’re here for tonight, to learn what we are told all the time, that we can be better and better just like America is getting better and better?

I find it ironic that most of the commercials and ads that try to sell us products on the basis that we can be better or get more out of life are implicitly saying that without those products we aren’t good enough. So I want to reject the idea of self forgiveness for the purpose of building a better you, and rather address the story we really, implicitly live with and are told: that you aren’t good enough, that you must live with your guilt and shame.

It seems according the story given to us in the Scripture, self forgiveness is paradoxical to the nature of our cultural story where things simply seem to be getting better and better.

See, in our culture of over emphasized individualism, it seems the appropriate thing to do is actually to NOT forgive yourself. We are often taught that the only thing you have control over is yourself, so somehow the responsible thing is to not forgive yourself.

And so we make claims on ourselves. Impossible claims. We carry our guilt and shame, our burdens by ourselves because we feel we must until we reach some impossible goal or feel bad enough or deny our self through guilt or something to that effect.

Did you hear that? Yes, sometimes we even cloak the claims we make on ourselves in God talk…we say that this is our cross, we are just denying ourselves for the wrongs we have done or even that we deserve to be punished. So we punish ourselves.

But the reality is that to deny yourself forgiveness is to deny God. To deny yourself forgiveness, is to deny God.

Spiritual writer, Henry Nouwen says it this way: “forgiveness is allowing other people, not to be God.” This works in the reverse, self forgiveness is allowing yourself, not to be God.

So Paul, writing to one of his most problematic churches in Corinth says…”If anyone is in Christ, they are a new creation!” or literally, “If anyone in Christ, New Creation!”

Paul knew and had experienced the reality that forgiveness had come into the world in Jesus Christ and God had begun the great reconciliation of all things to himself. So we deny God when we don’t forgive ourselves, because only God forgives. God, in Jesus Christ, declared you free from sin and guilt and has made you NEW! It was God who has done it and it is God who is doing it.

The story of God is the story that says you are forgiven, and to live otherwise is to deny reality. You ARE a new creation in Christ, stop listening to those other stories that are telling you that you can’t forgive yourself or you must feel guilty.

But of course this doesn’t deny the reality of the hurt or deep pain we feel, the reasons we so often can’t forgive ourselves. We say, “yeah, but if you really knew me…if you knew just what I’ve done…if only I had been a better person, spouse, father, daughter, son, coworker, if only, then….”

The writer of 1 John says in chapter 3, verse 20 that “whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.”

When we can’t forgive ourselves we often have a conflated self identity and a deflated relationship and view of God. We relate to God disproportionally and place ourselves and our guilt above him or think very little of him.

God knows everything, all that we are and all that we try to hide…yet God is greater than our heart. While we may try and condemn ourselves, with God there is no condemnation.
So the call is to be in Christ, where we find ourselves as new creation…to place ourselves under the Cross and find God greater than any of our failures or imperfections!

Nouwen says this beautifully when he writes:

“Is there a way out? I don’t think there is- at least not on my side. It often seems that the more I try to disentangle myself from the darkness, the darker it becomes. I need the light, but the light has to conquer my darkness and that I cannot bring about myself. I cannot forgive myself. I cannot make myself feel loved. By myself I cannot leave the land of my anger. I cannot bring myself home nor can I create communion on my own. I can desire it, hope for it, wait for it, yes pray for it. But my true freedom I cannot fabricate for myself. That must be given to me. I am lost. I must be found and brought home by the shepherd who goes out to me.”

If denying self-forgiveness is denying God, then accepting God is accepting self forgiveness. Consequently, bringing God more and more into your life, focusing not on yourself or your regrets or your failures but seeking and searching for God who loves you, brings about self forgiveness, and healing.

By focusing more on God we find that we are capable of treating ourselves better, we realize that no one not even ourselves, except Christ, can love and live perfectly so we can have compassion on ourselves, we can let go of these claims or false stories we make about ourselves and live into the true story of God’s forgiveness for all, even you.


In a conversation I had with Marshall Smith who preached a few weeks ago here in Beresheth, we were talking about this theme of self forgiveness and he said, “You know Joe, I don’t think it was until I began actually forgiving others that I was able to learn how to forgive myself.”

In that passage in 2 Cor. Paul doesn’t stop with the declaration that we are a new creation in Christ, but continues saying:

“All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us. So we are ambassadors for Christ, since God is making his appeal through us; we entreat you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”

The paradox of self forgiveness is that it comes not by trying to better yourself and become a better you; rather self forgiveness comes by learning to live for others, by learning to serve and love, by being an ambassador of reconciliation, by following Christ.

Another way of saying this is that self forgiveness comes by way of transformation and transformation by way of mission.

May you listen for the story God is writing in your life. May you learn to give up yourself for the sake of love and find yourself more capable of loving yourself. and May you awaken to the reality, that you are forgiven, that you are loved and lovable and that you are a New Creation!

May 11, 2009

The US & Torture

The power of torture is not so much that it gathers info or intel for the CIA. Rather the true power is that it creates a viewpoint within the American nation. Torture is the power of imagining ourselves as so righteous that we must allow our leaders to do the dirty work of torture to uphold our rightness, democracy, and exceptionalism ( or "the last great hope of the world"-Obama). Torture also creates enemies. Of course these aren't your run of the mill bad guys either for torture allows us to imagine that the enemies are so vile they must deserve it, subhuman. This of course leaks down to the power of punishing innocents (which has been widely the practice and mostly the case in the "enhanced interogation methods" used in the War on Terror), so we believe that if they are being tortured or treated so inhumanly, they must be guilty.

Torture is disugsting in every form. The solution?
Absorb it through the Eucharist or in other words allow the sacrifice or torture of Christ to become the once for all declaration that we all sinful, that we are all loved, and in Christ we are all redeemed. Or as William Cavanaugh says,
If the Eucharist is a participation in the sacrifice of Christ, if we become the Body of Christ, then we too are called not just to minister to the victims of this world but to identify with them. The opposition of them and us, friend and enemy, even victim and helper, is overcome. Violence against the enemy is unthinkable, because we are the enemy. Raniero Cantalamessa says “the modern debate on violence and the sacred thus helps us to accept a new dimension of the Eucharist,” thanks to which “God’s absolute ‘no’ to violence, pronounced on the cross, is kept alive through the centuries. The Eucharist is the sacrament of non-violence!
Check out Cavanaugh's entire article at the Other Journal, the journal of Mars Hill Graduate School.

April 30, 2009

This is my Public Service for the Day

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And the man was very happy

For the Ooze Viral Bloggers, I am reviewing "Enough: Contentment in an Age of Excess" by Will Samson. Though only 1/3 of the way through (I just began it yesterday), the parts that have stuck out the most to me is Samson's introductions to the each chapter with a midrash-like paragraph on Jesus and the "rich young ruler." I'll be posting my review in the days to come, but here's a few of the said paragraphs:
One day Jesus was walking down Main Street on his way out of town, and a rich and influential lawyer came up to hima nd asked: "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
And Jesus replied, "Give what you can to the synagogue. Ten percent is a good rule of thumb, but whatever you do, don't be a legalist about it. And make sure you have enough left over to contribute to the economy. You know, 'Give to Caesar...'"
And the man went away very happy, because that was exactly what he was already doing..

..."what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
And Jesus replied, "Become a better you. Awaken to your life's purpose. Be a good person. Eat what I eat. And vote right."
And the man went away very happy, because that sounded exactly like the kind of life he had been seeking.

...
And Jesus replied, "Great question! I've never thought of that before. Give me time to get back to you on that one."
And the man was pleased, because he really wasn't ready for any big changes at thi point in his life.

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And Jesus replied, "Don't marry someone of the same gender, and don't allow someone you have gotten pregnant to have an abortion."
And the man went away very hapy, because he was already doing these things.

April 28, 2009

Homebrewed Christianity

Last week I got one of my teeth drilled out, otherwise known as a root canal. For me, the worst part of the dentist are the sounds. Naturally I popped in my headphones and was taken to a different place, a place of "religionless Christianity."

For some time now I've been enjoying what I believe to be one of the best podcasts out there coming from one of my ole' friends from undergrad, Chad Crawford and his bud Tripp Fuller, a Phd. candidate at Claremont Graduate U. Both of them are graduates of Wake Forest Divinity School.

Between the witty banter and pedantic sarcasm, these two brewers gather together some amazing voices in theology and the church today and talk brew. While getting my tooth drilled hollow, I enjoyed the episode about Bonhoeffer's religionless Christianity and the interview with Jeffrey Pugh who has recently published a new book on the aforementioned material. They also let the likes of emerging heretic Tony Jones interview New Testament scholar turned atheist heretic Bart Erhmam on his new book, Jesus Interrupted.

But of course the depth of only 51 episodes provide so much more than those two gems with interviews with great thinkers like Diana Butler Bass, Brian McLaren, Richard Rohr, John Cobb, John Dominic Crossan, Phyllis Tyckle, Walter Brueggemann, Mark Scandrette, and many more.

As if anything else needs to be said: GO CHECK IT OUT! These guys will have you thinking each week about important theological issues for the church.