tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.comments2023-10-30T03:48:23.373-05:00CollideOScopeJoe Bumbulishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15904792190842701390noreply@blogger.comBlogger380125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-13677744185921752242011-12-31T22:19:55.446-06:002011-12-31T22:19:55.446-06:00Let's all try to work through Church Dogmatics...Let's all try to work through Church Dogmatics this year. I'm joining Stroope and others this year to make it through.Loryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09983393818056708160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-74791646232596436342011-12-10T23:35:48.253-06:002011-12-10T23:35:48.253-06:00@Josh, thanks!@Josh, thanks!Joe Bumbulishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904792190842701390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-25581563042658111912011-12-10T23:35:40.376-06:002011-12-10T23:35:40.376-06:00@Tripp, yeah but it was weird. I've been think...@Tripp, yeah but it was weird. I've been thinking for a long time of doing something on zombies but you gave me the idea to throw in a haiku.Joe Bumbulishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904792190842701390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-46534320232528704942011-12-10T13:46:32.361-06:002011-12-10T13:46:32.361-06:00Simply awesome. So, you saw my sermon on Zombies f...Simply awesome. So, you saw my sermon on Zombies from two (three?) All Saints ago? We're on the same line here. Great stuff.Tripp Hudginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02987346084472861229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-67556120304376374922011-12-10T13:28:49.949-06:002011-12-10T13:28:49.949-06:00Well said dude!Well said dude!Josh Stockelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14218032148664658591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-58235577400389864932011-02-07T02:27:59.383-06:002011-02-07T02:27:59.383-06:00hey i really like your blog and was wondering if y...hey i really like your blog and was wondering if you could blog more often?tryingtobegoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05308365662514774226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-87923784763077836622011-01-08T10:33:01.358-06:002011-01-08T10:33:01.358-06:00Thanks for posting, Joe. I put my list in a FB not...Thanks for posting, Joe. I put my list in a FB note...not nearly as deep as most of your reads, but 2011 will include some heavier titles for me@Loryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09983393818056708160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-10163834960714431852010-12-09T09:28:58.816-06:002010-12-09T09:28:58.816-06:00@Brent, not sure if this part of the conversation ...@Brent, not sure if this part of the conversation is in the EM podcast. I haven't listened to them, but would guess they'd edit out the more conversational, Q&A stuff...but I'm just guessing.Joe Bumbulishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904792190842701390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-66494782773270619842010-12-08T23:13:31.608-06:002010-12-08T23:13:31.608-06:00question for ya. is there audio or a link of this ...question for ya. is there audio or a link of this conversation he had. i downloaded two podcasts from the "conversation" but did not hear anything addressing these issues. were they not posted perhaps? i'm currently a student at truett seminary and writing a paper and thought i'd try to cite this in a paper. if not, it's ok. thanks<br /><br />brentBrenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13871954699270689475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-83606610328051075872010-08-24T05:45:34.980-05:002010-08-24T05:45:34.980-05:00It is simply the absence of belief that any deitie...It is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.<br /><br /><b><a href="http://www.yourstufffree.com" rel="nofollow"> Free Coupons </a></b>Shanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12455859830098515633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-23663952429688611262010-08-24T05:43:39.512-05:002010-08-24T05:43:39.512-05:00It is simply the absence of belief that any deitie...It is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.Shanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12455859830098515633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-32192209478647615382010-08-19T22:25:07.515-05:002010-08-19T22:25:07.515-05:00Do you really believe capitalism to be the problem...Do you really believe capitalism to be the problem? I think we need to look at ourselves to realize that's it's not capitalism, but jealous pride, greed, aggrandizement, immoral wars and ignorance of God's word which has brought us to where America is as a nation today. Social (group) justice has brought us is nothing but wars, hate, class warfare and the warfare/welfare state. So we just keep on killing innocents in our emperalistist wars thinking we should be forcing our way of life on others all in the name of safety and God. Instead of respecting each other as God teaches us to do, we have become expectant and dependant of others. Should we give in to social justice and forsake the gift of God in each of us? Should we not respect each other, teach and set examples for rightous living whether a believer or not? As children of God, shouldn't we humble ourselves and seek equal justice for all as exampled in God's word not social justice as in man's folly? Or should we live by the law of man and worship man instead? After all aren't we "all" individuals in God's eyes with a divine right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, "within the the realm of God's natural laws". If you can honestly answer these questions then we may be able to know the true meaning of love for each other. Love comes not from handouts but in teaching others how to dream and to stand on their own feet "realizing God's gift to each of us" while respecting others. <br />Pray for peace, end the wars, bring our sons and daughters home.<br /><br />Walter BumbulisAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14885367928679215718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-81939314234909895862010-08-03T04:18:11.262-05:002010-08-03T04:18:11.262-05:00It's crucial for you to be in a therapeutic en...It's crucial for you to be in a therapeutic environment in which your atheism is respected.<br /><br />By<br /><b><a href="http://www.offersking.com" rel="nofollow"> Offers King </a></b>Shanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12455859830098515633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-42122282802454513272010-07-20T14:25:35.954-05:002010-07-20T14:25:35.954-05:00I really identify with your blog's sentiment a...I really identify with your blog's sentiment as an Asian beginning a life in the west generally experiences!mercurioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10115118673523540853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-7697789558565722502010-03-18T18:43:07.044-05:002010-03-18T18:43:07.044-05:00I confirm. 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Thanks for the post. Sorry I have taken a w...Joe! Thanks for the post. Sorry I have taken a while to respond as I have been basically traveling the state the past couple days (ok...mainly up and down i-35). Anyway, I get what you are saying now.<br /><br />I agree with what you have said here. I think what you wrote in your concluding paragraph is what I wanted to say and perhaps just didn't get past the relational "knowing" God.<br /><br />I agree with you that those statments JC makesin John 14 are not doctirnal, but as you said pointing to a way of life.<br /><br />I suppose I am just not comfortable with the language "unknowable." It seems to me that knowing God relationally and living the lifestyle of Jesus is still in a sense "knowing," though only in part. <br /><br />I don't know what language to use exactly, because I don't disagree with what you are saying here, there is just something that doesn't sound right about "unknowable" since we are talking about a God that was made known through Jesus, and Paul uses the language of "making God known" in Acts. <br /><br />I think what I hear you saying is that God in his ontological existence is indescribable due to the limitations of our language. Is that right? Or are you saying more than that? Or something different than that?<br /><br />Again, like I said, i think it is more uncomfortablity with the language, than with what you are actually describing in this post. Make sense?Seth Summershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16871351024917606464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-90871158300037464892010-03-07T07:15:59.433-06:002010-03-07T07:15:59.433-06:00nice post. thanks.nice post. thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-53382776130635556172010-03-06T10:48:41.882-06:002010-03-06T10:48:41.882-06:00Well, I want to be careful because there's thi...Well, I want to be careful because there's this strange dialectic I'm trying to walk here (creating a both/and or neither/nor category). In some ways I want to say what you are saying about Jesus, but in a more or differently nuanced way. <br /><br />First, in regards to JC's words about knowing the Father. Thomas asks Jesus to show them the Father and the way to get where JC is going. I think we can agree that this passage isn't about doctrine (as if Thomas is saying, so is God eternal or everlasting?), knowing God categorically, conceptually, or perceptually. Instead, what Jesus is talking about is "the Way," the life and person that best reflects God on earth (himself). These verses in Jn 14 seem to point more toward relationships, allegiances, and ways of life (or mission) more than doctrinal statements about God. <br /><br />There are many different ways of "knowing" in the Bible, but I think of the most metaphorical, physical way..."knowing" as sex. This knowing is about something deeper and more personal then concepts. It seems that "knowing" in the Scripture is almost always a deeply human, physical, and relational term as opposed to abstract, categorical. <br /><br />Second, and ultimately I believe the greater truth is that God is unknowable. What I mean (not sure about Bonhof) is that we cannot use scientific reasoning and the 5 senses to create concepts that tell us "what" God is, God is neither provable or disprovable. We cannot point to God and say, see God suffers or no God is immutable. <br /><br />Language about God is tricky, but I don't think our words or categories ever fully satisfy the reality of what God is in his being. It's very important to say, or maybe admit (since there have been many abuses) that what we can know about God is that God is unknowable, un"what"able. But while our language, concepts, and perception of God always fall short of his Being that doesn't mean they aren't important. While we may not say "what" God is, we can say "that" God is...that God is loving, good, infinite, simple, unified, etc. Now do these words describe God metaphysically, ontologically? No, but they do give us categories to understand how God can be the way he is, and relate the way he does (and possibly just as important it helps us understand how we should relate to God and each other).<br /><br />Since we cannot claim what God is, but only what God is not (Bonhof's Christology) we can speak doctrines without fear of logical incoherence...like the idea that Christ is fully God and fully human (real logical right?). And that bring us back to Bonhof, where he is saying that this way of talking about God (the "that" not "what") allows us to speak logically and coherently about the existence of God while being able to make statements about the incarnation.<br /><br />I agree that we do know God through Christ, but I cannot say that doctrinally speaking I better understand God's being b/c of Jesus. Actually, because of Jesus I am a little more confused about God's existence. Did God die on the cross? Does he suffer? 3 and 1, or, 3 in 1, 3 = 1? <br /><br />God is knowable, as in we can relate to and be in relationship to God. God is unknowable as in, I can't point to and make conceptual statements that exactly describe the reality of God's being. Jesus leads us to what is really important, a life giving relationship with God; but after that we are stuck in our limited human categories to think about ways of describing conceptually and perceptually this reality.Joe Bumbulishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904792190842701390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-76108956478272212182010-03-05T21:43:47.508-06:002010-03-05T21:43:47.508-06:00Joe, fair enough. But like I said I could agree w...Joe, fair enough. But like I said I could agree with you, just misreading what you wrote.<br /><br />I agree with the statement directly after that says doctrine is not an end in itself. Just as I believe Scriptures are not an end in themselves. I think Jesus is very clear about that in John 5 when he gets on the Pharisees for "searching the Scriptures in vain." <br /><br />But I don't get from that quote (and again I don't know the whole context behind the quote from Bonhoeffer) is that God is unknowable. Jesus seems to say the exact opposite. He identifies himself with the Father, and says several times that if you know me, you know the Father; if you see me, you have seen the Father, etc. It seems that God is knowable, but ultimately he is known through the incarnation of Jesus Christ.<br /><br />Again, perhaps I am not understanding your definition of "knowing." But it seems clear that God is knowable through knowing Jesus Christ. So that is where I am confused.Seth Summershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16871351024917606464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-5857560314691230422010-03-05T20:26:02.347-06:002010-03-05T20:26:02.347-06:00Thanks Seth, I appreciate it. Instead of trying t...Thanks Seth, I appreciate it. Instead of trying to answer, why don't you tell me what you don't agree with first as the statement stands.Joe Bumbulishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904792190842701390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-31439564978178982212010-03-04T21:07:08.573-06:002010-03-04T21:07:08.573-06:00Joe,
Good post. I enjoy reading what you have to...Joe,<br /><br />Good post. I enjoy reading what you have to say about things. I will confess I am not the biggest Brian McLaren fan, but I did like your review andit prompted me to read the book. So that in itself is a BIG compliment to you! <br /><br />Anyway, you said something that I am not sure I agree with you on, or perhaps I am misreading it. So I will just ask for an explanation of what you said, and perhaps that will clear things up.<br /><br />You said: "...what we DO know about God is that ultimately HE is unknowable."<br /><br />What do you mean by this?Seth Summershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16871351024917606464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-28844561205313712072010-03-04T09:39:27.503-06:002010-03-04T09:39:27.503-06:00Hello. And Bye.Hello. And Bye.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com