tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post4552615681461908893..comments2023-10-30T03:48:23.373-05:00Comments on CollideOScope: Moltmann & Homosexuality: A Bit Disappointing & Not in that WayJoe Bumbulishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15904792190842701390noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-10163834960714431852010-12-09T09:28:58.816-06:002010-12-09T09:28:58.816-06:00@Brent, not sure if this part of the conversation ...@Brent, not sure if this part of the conversation is in the EM podcast. I haven't listened to them, but would guess they'd edit out the more conversational, Q&A stuff...but I'm just guessing.Joe Bumbulishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904792190842701390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-66494782773270619842010-12-08T23:13:31.608-06:002010-12-08T23:13:31.608-06:00question for ya. is there audio or a link of this ...question for ya. is there audio or a link of this conversation he had. i downloaded two podcasts from the "conversation" but did not hear anything addressing these issues. were they not posted perhaps? i'm currently a student at truett seminary and writing a paper and thought i'd try to cite this in a paper. if not, it's ok. thanks<br /><br />brentBrenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13871954699270689475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-13867445845400369782009-09-25T13:07:15.097-05:002009-09-25T13:07:15.097-05:00I found that part particularly refreshing, since h...I found that part particularly refreshing, since he comes from a different context and intentionally rejected the issue. Europe is so post-Christian that the Church there has many bigger fish to fry. Perhaps the American Church, which is actually pushing the the culture toward post-Christendom, could learn from his example.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07725829998119648772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-48813003026898629952009-09-25T00:09:08.866-05:002009-09-25T00:09:08.866-05:00I actually found the statement helpful. I wonder i...I actually found the statement helpful. I wonder if there wasn't a bit of "oh crap, that issue" going on, like he knew what kind of a storm it could stir up and wanted to get it over with quickly. You are right his answer lacked depth. What I liked about it was that it was not at all what I expected. I didn't expect him to make a statement like "it is by faith you are saved, not by your sexuality" it is just so Reformed sounding. But I felt he was trying to put a little perspective around it. There are definitely deep historical and identity issues at stake in this debate. Some of us feel like we'd like to take a simple answer like Moltmann's and just say that's that. But it is never that simple, at least not in the North American context. <br /><br />BTW I didn't get that he equated homosexuality with disability. I did catch the comment about marriage being categorically different because of the possibility of procreation. I think that there is a distinction that can be made in there (not sure if procreation is the right hinge for it though). <br /><br />Maybe the best response is exactly what we are doing. Taking his comments and trying to flesh them out in our contexts.One of Freedomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02479227411431959461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-30497165789799704972009-09-24T22:09:48.340-05:002009-09-24T22:09:48.340-05:00Well, given Moltmann's familiarity with libera...Well, given Moltmann's familiarity with liberation theologies related to dis/abilities, he may not see something like near-sightedness as "less than healthy" or anything other than "normal". In fact, he may think that being near-sighted is just as normal, healthy, and fully human as having 20/20 vision. If that is how he thinks (and I wouldn't be surprised if it is) then I have no problem with that particular statement.danhttp://poserorprophet.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com