tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post1535683001222863742..comments2023-10-30T03:48:23.373-05:00Comments on CollideOScope: Bonhoeffer on the Sermon & TruthJoe Bumbulishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15904792190842701390noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-76567290652364957052008-08-13T23:11:00.000-05:002008-08-13T23:11:00.000-05:00I certainly agree that the narrative of Christiani...I certainly agree that the narrative of Christianity and all of our history from the last 2000 years must be a part of formation. <BR/><BR/>I know DB's stance on authority and how it arises from Christ as the church, I'm just not sure if I can agree. <BR/><BR/>My question is how old is the sermon and preaching in the manner we practice it in our congregational churches and do we really lose the church when we don't practice preaching, the sacraments, etc?<BR/><BR/>Can you cease to be the church when you practice preaching, sacraments, confession? (Can't the church bve absorbed into the culture and still practice these constitutive practices?)<BR/><BR/>Are you saying that to be the church of Christ, to be Christ you must have certain forms?Joe Bumbulishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904792190842701390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-31407273376230640422008-08-13T17:13:00.000-05:002008-08-13T17:13:00.000-05:00And to the final questions, yes, preaching is esse...And to the final questions, yes, preaching is essential, as are the sacraments, works of mercy, and alternate practices (confession, reconciliation, gift economy).<BR/><BR/>It those constitutive practices are abandoned the church looses those practices which inculcate the particular ecclesial living of the gathered faithful.<BR/><BR/>Without these - the church IS doomed to absorption in the materialistic, nihilistic, consumerist, nationalistic narratives of the US.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-64820409031705059062008-08-13T16:57:00.000-05:002008-08-13T16:57:00.000-05:00Joe,Bohoeffer has a much higher view of the author...Joe,<BR/><BR/>Bohoeffer has a much higher view of the authority bestowed upon the minister by the giftings of the Spirit. It is from Christ via the Spirit in the congregation (Christ-existing-as-community) that bestows authority. That is, for DB, an unavoidable belief for DB.<BR/><BR/>However, he goes into great lenghts in his disertaion to discuss the "objective spirit" (sociological ethos - to oversimplify), in which the bestowed authority plays itself out. So authority can be said to be given by the Spirit, and grown into in the eyes of the congregation.<BR/><BR/>As to how sermons arise from community: <BR/>As you have said - incorporating the broadest range of the communties experience - as parts of the Body, is important.<BR/><BR/>However, if the local congregation is part of the Body of Christ, it also needs the broadest exposure to the lifes, victories, faithfulnesses, and failures of both the male and female saints from beginning until today.<BR/><BR/>Burt Burleson, formerly of DaySpring in Waco, and now Chaplain of Baylor also had lectionary breakfasts (both before and after the sermon) with any congregants who would come, about the text, how it impinges upon their lives, etc. That way the congregants both help the pastor carry their call, and critque where it is possible.<BR/><BR/>Oh wellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com