tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post115750653855205595..comments2023-10-30T03:48:23.373-05:00Comments on CollideOScope: That QuestionJoe Bumbulishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15904792190842701390noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-1157687617014563632006-09-07T22:53:00.000-05:002006-09-07T22:53:00.000-05:00"isolating themselves when they study they are not..."isolating themselves when they study they are not interpreting in community."<BR/><BR/>so you disagree with the paradigm of pastors studying alone to prepare for sunday to preach, as i understand what you are saying.<BR/><BR/>i disagree, though, that they are not studying in community. the idea of study in community can take on many forms, and just b/c a pastor is not sitting down with people (which some churches do that) does not mean he is working alone.<BR/><BR/>A responsinle pastor has to know his cultural context, people, theology, history, and scripture. <BR/><BR/>the pastor is supposed to know the needs of the community by spending time with them. <BR/><BR/>he is also supposed to be connected to community through studying church history and the works of scholars involved in studying the scripture. <BR/><BR/>the church community cannot be expected to dive nearly as deeply into study as the pastor or chosen community teacher, or whatever else you want to call it. <BR/><BR/>i think, maybe, you are taking your experience of quiet times and displacing them over pastors and their study times, which is not reasonable or equivocal.<BR/><BR/>come over any time, not real sure any one else is involved:(Joe Bumbulishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904792190842701390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-1157655662951602402006-09-07T14:01:00.000-05:002006-09-07T14:01:00.000-05:00so then way have quiet times of reading your bible...so then way have quiet times of reading your bible alone become the way to learn about God. I don't mean to down play the Holy Spirit but if those who are teaching in churches are isolating themselves when they study they are not interpreting in community.<BR/><BR/>I know that you didn't come up with queit times and isolated studying. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes i feel like i should just walk the 50 feet to your apartment and actually talk to you in person. But then no one else could join in.rbankshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16418205651347585907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-1157645230477356632006-09-07T11:07:00.000-05:002006-09-07T11:07:00.000-05:00Something that just came to mind...inerrancy and i...Something that just came to mind...<BR/><BR/>inerrancy and infallibility arose from movements to place one single, absolute meaning on the text.<BR/>this is a pretty modern notion, i mean inerrant scripture didn't arise until the westminster confession in the 17th (?) century.<BR/><BR/>My point is, is that in Jesus day and our own we can allow for communities to find to the meaning of the text. I know this sounds scary, but it is also spiritual and contains faith.Joe Bumbulishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904792190842701390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-1157635587898670862006-09-07T08:26:00.000-05:002006-09-07T08:26:00.000-05:00the lay person should still be expected to learn a...the lay person should still be expected to learn and study the scripture. maybe not to the full extent as a scholar, but we cannot allow laissez fair interpretation just because of ignorance. <BR/><BR/>Most people interpret the Bible, as they've been taught in Sunday School and Bible Study. It's not the individual, but the community that interprets the scripture. Even those who think they are lone ranger interpreters are bringing some kind of theology they picked up along the way to it. <BR/><BR/>Also, we shouldn't expect people to read the Bible like a scholar, but rahter it should and can be read devotionally with aid of the Holy Spirit. <BR/><BR/>So, I guess we need to study, we need community, and we need the Holy Spirit.Joe Bumbulishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904792190842701390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-1157604245839887652006-09-06T23:44:00.000-05:002006-09-06T23:44:00.000-05:00So then we are back to only the biblical historian...So then we are back to only the biblical historians have the ability to interpret the bible. I mean how is the lay person supposed to know the cultural diamanics between a rabbi and their student or the rich and the poor.rbankshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16418205651347585907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-1157565813653518772006-09-06T13:03:00.000-05:002006-09-06T13:03:00.000-05:00i don't believe it's about the parts of the bible ...i don't believe it's about the parts of the bible that are infallible, but rather what is the purpose of the scripture?<BR/><BR/>I believe the scripture is infallible in how to relate to God and how to relate to other's, but i am willing to say our interpretations are fallible. <BR/><BR/>the bible does have to be a historical fact book, like what we have in mind when we read history books, but rather a theological history with motives, agendas, purposes, and worldviews of its own.Joe Bumbulishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904792190842701390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25417385.post-1157515223998902012006-09-05T23:00:00.000-05:002006-09-05T23:00:00.000-05:00With out a doubt. but then at what point are we a...With out a doubt. but then at what point are we able to pick out the parts that are not infallible.rbankshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16418205651347585907noreply@blogger.com